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Nick Of Troy · Jun 15, 2008, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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How the hell can you be polite in this case? He ****ed over an hour of gameplay because of his stupidity. "Please, next time, try not to rush in with griffons?" I'm sorry, but if you're not polite with me or with my friends, don't expect me to be polite with you.

The worse? that's my GENERAL exp. with PUGs. Hence why I have a relatively bad opinion of them. I wouldn't say that if most PUGs I'd get accomplished more than getting killed a mob or a quest or a boss away from whatever I'm doing with them.

Short answer: you can't. This guy would be one of the fools who, no matter what manner you talk too him, takes the "I'm 1337r than yooh" approach. Proof of this can be found in build-insults, abuse of the monk and complete refusal to accept blame for anything. Because, of course, they are doing everything perfect and YOU are the flawed one.

What I was ranting about are the unpleasent people before starting a mission, and I often find that the behaviour of a player before you begin the mission will indicate how he will play.

I'm sorry you've had a crappy experience with PuG's, I'm not pretending at all that my experiences have been 100% perfect. However, FoW is an elite area (not sure, having never been myself) and you do tend to find the worst players Guild Wars has to offer in places like that.

Riceboi · Jun 15, 2008, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Nick Of Troy

Short answer: you can't. This guy would be one of the fools who, no matter what manner you talk too him, takes the "I'm 1337r than yooh" approach. Proof of this can be found in build-insults, abuse of the monk and complete refusal to accept blame for anything. Because, of course, they are doing everything perfect and YOU are the flawed one.

What I was ranting about are the unpleasent people before starting a mission, and I often find that the behaviour of a player before you begin the mission will indicate how he will play.

I'm sorry you've had a crappy experience with PuG's, I'm not pretending at all that my experiences have been 100% perfect. However, FoW is an elite area (not sure, having never been myself) and you do tend to find the worst players Guild Wars has to offer in places like that.

you never been to FoW lol wtf? is that even possible.

Kusandaa · Jun 15, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Nick Of TroyWhat I was ranting about are the unpleasent people [I

before [/I]starting a mission, and I often find that the behaviour of a player before you begin the mission will indicate how he will play.

Oops. I have a history of missing a point. x];;;.

But it's rather hard to be polite when you have to ask 4 times to check who's got cons. Who's got snares. Who's running the prot and who's running heal. When no one replies, you kick, and THEN they PM you with their info. Too bad you've gotten replacements already.

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I'm sorry you've had a crappy experience with PuG's, I'm not pretending at all that my experiences have been 100% perfect. However, FoW is an elite area (not sure, having never been myself) and you do tend to find the worst players Guild Wars has to offer in places like that.

You find the worse guys when you -don't- want them, which is always...

Guild team: Let's do an Urgoz speed run, the good ol' way. Missing: 2 nukers, a monk, a b/p and the bipper.

People self-invite.
Nuker 1: Has firestorm, meteor, MS, aura of restoration, no attunement, no energy management. He doesn't wanna change because it's leet.
Nuker 2: Has a bad mix of earth magic and water magic; his elite? Iron Mist.
Monk 1: HBreeze, purge conditions, his elite is Balthazar's Pendulum.
Monk 2: Doesn't reply after several minutes. He's got Banish with 2 smiting prayers, Firestorm because he's Mo/E and you KNOW he's gonna use Healing Touch on the puller.
Ranger 1: Even though you asked for a b/p, he's a trapper and starts calling you noob for running something different.
Necro 1: Quick to reply, but he can't run SS, he can't run BiP either... he wants to MM but his death magic is 9.

Oh and that's only the people who you requested. I didn't count all the warriors and the melee assassins. 'Cause a A/W IS NOT a crit barrager...

You get people with decent builds:
Nuker 3: takes ages to reply but has an okay build.
Monk 3: great build, seems exp... too bad he leaves your team 30 seconds before you go in, forcing you go find another monk... thus spending an extra 30 minutes finding someone.
Ranger 2: is a complete and utter a-hole from the start, but he's the only damned ranger in the district that's currently free. You deal with him.
Necro 3: the bipper - whines 'cause it's taking ages to form. Leaves. Another 30 minutes to find a bipper.
Necro 4: bipper finally showed up after 15 minutes. He's never done it before, you give him a chance but the monks are rushing because all the b/p's are following the puller in... and you realize he doesn't even have a 1hp when you requested one.

You go in:
- The b/p's follow the puller. They don't listen, party wipes a bit.
- The PUG monk goes AFK too often; he leeches the entire run, leaving the guildie monk rush like mad because the bipper isn't doing his job.
- The nukers have reverted their bar without telling you. You see FS being dropped, the foes spread, rape the frontline, rape the backline.

The party wipes...

Total time to form: 2:30 hours.
Total time in: 3 hours.
Speed run my butt.

Makeshiftminty · Jun 15, 2008, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Im a monk and i have been monking for 2 years with a rez always in my skill bar. Most of the time i hardly have to use it but it helps keep the team up and going instead of getting wiped -> rez shrine -> run back

Kaitoa · Jun 16, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

I have been doing alot of missions HM lately, I always try them out first with H/H. I usually get masters, the ones that are too difficult to do solo, I ask Guild/alliance members to help me. I always do my homework before trying missions. This is an important point, that is at the heart of the problem with Pugs. Only a little effort pays big in saving time and effort.
I never join pugs to get further in the game! Why? because I just dont have time to waste. I have a full RL (afk life

) and have certain things i need to do ingame. PUG's are simply too unreliable.
The only time I actually join a pug is to help people out. I have felt so sorry for ppl stuck in a mission that after I got masters in HM on that mission. The same ppl were still trying find a group so I joined and past it for them. Made me feel better as well as them. I dont always do this however.

eeks · Jun 16, 2008, 06:10 AM // 06:10

I was in a decent PUG yesterday from Ring of Fire - Hell's Precipice. Everyone was polite and good-natured.

The only problem was our ranger who wouldn't lure, and was using kindle arrows (...). It took me a while to notice our warrior wasn't just randomly running around, but was doing the luring job in place of the ranger.

He actually did a good - if a little unorthodox - job.

garethporlest18 · Jun 16, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by eeks

I was in a decent PUG yesterday from Ring of Fire - Hell's Precipice. Everyone was polite and good-natured.

The only problem was our ranger who wouldn't lure, and was using kindle arrows (...). It took me a while to notice our warrior wasn't just randomly running around, but was doing the luring job in place of the ranger.

He actually did a good - if a little unorthodox - job.

Kindle Arrows isn't that bad of a skill actually, depends on what else he was using. There's worse skills out there! Haha.

eeks · Jun 16, 2008, 07:41 AM // 07:41

Oh no, it was just that she was using them on the Fire Islands where quite a lot of enemies are fire resistant. XD

Everyone noticed, but we left her alone and didn't bother her. I personally don't think it's worth getting angry over a slight error in judgement. Especially when we were able to complete the missions.

Kusandaa's irritation however, I do understand.

Now.. As for god-awful PUGs I've been in:

Nahpui Quarter is infamous for them. Seriously.

I was monking one time, and decided to go with a PUG. They wanted two other monks, so what the hell. Anyhow, these monks were disgusting elitists who ran ahead and didn't heal anyone but themselves, yammering on about the master's bonus. They also spent abot five minutes convincing the rest of the group one way was faster. I was stuck healing the rest of the party. What were they going to do, wand the celestials to death?

Secondly on my assassin, I was just with two other people. One warrior, and an elementalist. The elementalist was party leader, but entered the mission after asking everyone if they were ready. About halfway through, she realised she had put all her points into the wrong attribute line but insisted we continue. Realising we weren't going to get master's, she called us both noobs and quit out of the mission.

Bleh, there always has to be a killjoy in an otherwise decent team.

However, I do recall PUGs being pretty atrocious when I first started playing.

Captured Son.

I was about level 12 or so on my oldest character, and asked for help. About two or three level 20s joined and there were plenty of party wipes before we completed it. I was addicted to that quest back then, and asked for help often on new characters - same result. Predominately level 20 teams being constantly wiped out.

I haven't grouped up with anyone recently for that, so I wouldn't know how difficult it is for pick-up groups. It is easy on my own now or if I'm helping a guildy/friend, however.

This was about two years ago, so are PUGs really getting worse now?

Kaitoa · Jun 16, 2008, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by eeks

I was in a decent PUG yesterday from Ring of Fire - Hell's Precipice. Everyone was polite and good-natured.

The only problem was our ranger who wouldn't lure, and was using kindle arrows (...). It took me a while to notice our warrior wasn't just randomly running around, but was doing the luring job in place of the ranger.

He actually did a good - if a little unorthodox - job.

I know its just being pedantic,.....but warriors (the tank of the group) should be the one doing the luring. As a warrior player I find it annoying when rangers take aggro and proceed to lead the monsters to the middle of the group. Tanks take aggro and hold the monsters at bay, where they are supposed to be out in the front for nukers etc, simultaneously protecting backline casters. :P

ogre_jd · Jun 16, 2008, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by eeks

The only problem was our ranger who wouldn't lure, and was using kindle arrows (...).

Luring/Pulling effectively is a skill not all people, even those who choose to play archers, are good at. I know I've caused my share of wipes (since H/H's can't really pull) because of bad pulls... It shouldn't be a big deal if the Ranger can't pull, as long as they mention it beforehand, anyways.

As for [[Kindle Arrows], well, if they weren't using [[Winter] to go with it they should at least be politely informed of the combo for the region for the next time they go through.